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Scott Barry Kaufman is a cognitive psychologist at the University of Pennsylvania, the scientific director of The Imagination Institute, and the author of Ungifted and Wired to Create. Michael Gervais is a high performance psychologist working closely with sports MVP’s, internationally acclaimed artists, and Fortune 25 CEO’s. He recently hosted Scott on the Finding Mastery podcast, where Scott explained that growing up, he was labeled a slow thinker with a learning disability. He then tells the story of how, with a late blooming of confidence and determination, he began to excel in school, and one day became a brilliant leader in his field.
Michael: You’ve got a crisp point of view in the field of psychology, but before we get into that, take us back to when you were younger. I want to get context for how you’ve come to understand psychology so well.
Scott: When I was growing up, the first three years of my life I was almost …